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should email this to mainstream media.
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Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter
By Amy Hollyfield
Published on Friday, June 27th, 2008 at 05:21 p.m.
SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings.
It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.
“As a concerned citizen, I’m wondering if there isn’t something fishy going on with the Obama certificate.”
“I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate’ you were sent.”
“Something doesn’t smell right.”
Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.
“You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!”
At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.
And you can’t help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they’re being tricked?
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Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.
As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.
Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."
The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.
On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
Then the firestorm started.
• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?
• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.
• Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)
• There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.
• It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.
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At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.
• • •
Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.
He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB’s investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.
“We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy,” Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. “And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons.”
Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.
“I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors,” Goelz said. “We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event.”
Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.
“Online, they can be almost anything,” he said. “They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be.”
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The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.
“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”
Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.
And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”
Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
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And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.
And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.
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| | | | Funny you post an article written in June.
Court looked into the matter and threw it out in October.
This grasping at straws is really getting right comical.
My favorite part is when someone stated THEY should email their conservative garbage to the mainstream media so they would pick up the story.
That is definitely where good news come from .. some random person reading some random crap on the internet.
Keep it coming. I need the comic relief *lol*
"Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction."
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| | | | www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-birth-certificate-30-oct30,0,1742172.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama birth certificate rumor debunked
By James Janega
Tribune reporter
October 30, 2008
A persistent rumor circulated by opponents of Barack Obama in recent weeks questions the authenticity of his birth certificate from Hawaii, despite the fact that the Obama campaign debunked the rumor in June.
In the Tribune's political blog "The Swamp" last week, reporter Mark Silva produced a copy of Obama's birth certificate and addressed the birthplaces of both presidential candidates.
Sen. John McCain, Silva wrote, "was born to American parents, his father serving as a submariner in the U.S. Navy at the Coco Solo base in the Panama Canal Zone when and where young John Sidney McCain III was born. Barack Hussein Obama II -- and yes, he actually has joked that he got his middle name from people who never thought he'd be running for president -- was born in Hawaii, in 1961, and has a birth certificate to show for it."
Conservative critics have suggested that Obama may have been born outside the U.S. and is not a "natural born citizen" eligible for the presidency. But they present no evidence that he was born anywhere other than Hawaii.
In June, the Obama campaign released an electronic copy of the certificate bearing the seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health and showing that Barack Hussein Obama II was born to mother Stanley Ann Dunham in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961.
Contacted Wednesday, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo cited Hawaii state privacy laws and guidance from the state attorney general in saying she was not permitted to confirm the authenticity of the certificate released by the Obama campaign.
But she said it appeared similar to other Hawaii birth certificates.
"It looks exactly the same as my own birth certificate," Okubo said.
Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said Wednesday that the document was authentic.
The issue of whether Obama is a "natural born citizen"—a citizen at birth—was raised in a June 10 article on the conservative Web site World Net Daily.
Article II of the U.S. Constitution says, "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States ... shall be eligible to the Office of President." Acts of Congress in 1790 and 1795 clarify that "the children of citizens of the United States ... shall be considered as natural born citizens."
Republican candidate John McCain faced, and overcame, similar questions because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone while his Navy father was stationed there.
Hawaii was a state in 1961, when Obama was born. Any person born in the U.S. automatically is a "natural born citizen," said University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh.
Even if a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, Volokh said. Stanley Ann Dunham would have counted even if Obama's Kenyan father did not.
If this becomes an issue in a post-election eligibility challenge, expect a likely sticking point to be the legal definition in 1961 of how parents could be called U.S. citizens for this purpose, Volokh said. At the time Obama was born, the law stated that a person would be considered a "natural born citizen" if either parent was a citizen who had lived at least 10 years in the U.S., including five years after the age of 14—in other words, 19.
Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born. But subsequent acts of Congress relaxed the requirement to five years in the U.S., including just two years after the age of 14, meaning Dunham could have been 16 and still qualified even if Obama was born in another country, Volokh said. Congress made the law retroactive to 1952, doubly covering Obama.
Any legal challenge would have to argue that Congress can't make someone retroactively a citizen at birth, and prove Obama was born outside of the U.S. after all.
jjanega@tribune.com
Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune
"Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction."
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Judge tosses Obama birth certificate suit
Pacific Business News (Honolulu)
A lawsuit that tried to force the State of Hawaii to release a copy of President-Elect Barack Obama’s birth certificate has been dismissed.
Honolulu Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe on Wednesday ruled that author Andy Martin had no standing under state law to obtain a copy of the birth certificate.
Ayabe said in his decision that Martin had no “direct and tangible interest in the vital statistic records being sought.” Hawaii public records laws are more restrictive than in many states and allow birth and death certificates to be released only to family members and those with a “direct” interest.
The inability of Obama critics to put their hands on his actual birth record from a Honolulu hospital in August 1961 has fueled rumors that he wasn’t actually born in the United States but instead was born in Kenya, his father’s home country.
Martin, a Chicago-based author and Obama critic, moved to Hawaii in November in an attempt to dig out more information about the candidate and filed the lawsuit demanding access to the birth certificate.
In response to the clamor, the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino, confirmed that Obama’s original birth certificate was on file and that she had personally seen it.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
"Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction."
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| | | | So what will be the next non-real issue? Hmmmmmmm.
Oh I know, it was all that balderdash about Obama and change affecting the DJIA.
Last two days tells a very different positive story.
Stocks surged Monday in a broad rally as Citigroup's massive rescue package and President-elect Obama's picks for his economic team pushed investors off the sidelines.
The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) gained 397 points, or 4.9%, after having been up 552 points earlier in the afternoon. The Standard & Poor's 500 (SPX) index rose 6.4% and the Nasdaq composite (COMP) gained 6.3%.
The market also rallied Friday. The two-session gain of 891.10 points was the biggest two-session gain ever, according to Dow Jones. The percentage gain of 11.8% was the biggest two-session percentage gain since Oct. 1987.
For those who continue to grouse and roll marbles, you're wasting your time and energy....
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doesn't make a difference he's a citizen ~s~ |
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For your information spyce, his sister has the same COLB
that Obama has on file in Hawaii ~~~ & she is indisputedly born in Indonesia! ~~~
Hawaii state hospitals allow individuals to register a COLB up to a year
after a child is born. ~~~ Both legally & potentially illegally ~~~
An individual having a COLB on file, does not always mean they
were born there. ~~~ an Authentic Vault Copy does ~~~
with signiture of the doctor that delivered him & or verified
by witnesses present during time of birth with zero doubt!
And. . .
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Why would a president~elect not release these records if they were no big deal?
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(Still) Challenging Obama's Birth Certificate
by CALEB HOWE
NOV 24TH 2008 3:58PM
filed under:eBarack Obama
During the campaign season, we witnessed a few fairly ridiculous controversies surface. There was the charge that Senator McCain was ineligible for office, having been born in Panama, which was widely covered by traditional media and blogs. There was the charge that Barack Obama was a murderer, or whatever mad conspiracy Larry Sinclair and his kilt-clad lawyer were on about. That received less media coverage, and what it did receive was largely ridicule. Then there was the charge that McCain was having an affair with a lobbyist, that Barack Obama attended a madrassa, that Sarah Palin claimed to be able to see Russia from her house, and that Barack Obama was actually born in Kenya. Now that the campaign season is over, we can stop hearing all this nonsense.
Or can we?
Some, it seems, haven't quite made up their minds. As Forbes reports, lawsuits still abound regarding the legitimacy of Barack Obama's election. The suits specifically call for the President-elect to produce his birth certificate from the State of Hawaii. The certifcate was released electronically but met with some skepticism, and since that time, the State of Hawaii has issued an official press release stating in no uncertain terms that they have the certificate on file. Although a number of such suits persist, the chief face behind the allegations is clearly Phillip Berg, an attorney and Democrat from Philadelphia. Berg is not only filing in court, he has run advertising in major newspapers and put out youtube videos and a website, all regarding the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate and alleging that he was born in Kenya. As noted at Forbes, Berg is unmoved by debunking of the issue by sites like FactCheck.org and noted myth-busting website Snopes.com.
Berg's argument for pressing this issue is that the United States would face a constitutional crisis if the matter is unresolved by the time Obama is inaugurated. The only thing which will constitute a resolution for Berg is seeing the original birth certificate himself, something which is not permissible under Hawaiian law unless Obama himself requests the original. It does seem rather flawed logic on the part of Mr. Berg. If he is not able to produce any evidence that the President-elect wasn't born in the United States, and if it is legally agreed by all others that, indeed, Obama was born in Hawaii, it is hard to imagine from where that crisis would come.
You may at first glance wonder why the issue is filed under absurd. After all, there's no inherent absurdity in someone being born in Kenya, particularly if that someone is born to a Kenyan father. Certainly major papers like the New York Times didn't consider it absud to question whether Senator McCain was born in the United States. In fact, the closing quote of their article about McCain's eligibility was lawyer Jill Pryor stating that "it is certainly not a frivolous issue." So why does the Obama question end up thus filed?
Well, for starters, as Snopes points out, there is something silly about the idea that a major party, with so much to lose, would stake their entire reputation on a forgery so lame that internet snoops could pick it apart in a day visiting a public website. The McCain question was a matter of law regarding a matter of record, silly though the matter was. The Obama question isn't a matter of law, unless the campaign lied and produced a forgery to cover something up. In other words, the McCain story was actually about eligibility, while the Obama story is about the Democrats and the Obama campaign willfully committing a series of crimes and coverups in an attempt to defraud the entire nation. It's hardly the same thing. Put in terms of the impact, you can have one of two reactions. You can go into panic/attack mode like Berg, thinking that it's such a huge deal someone must do something fast. Or you can think that, well, how dumb would the Democrats have to be to pin their great Presidential hopes on someone who wasn't born here and cover it up with an electronic forgery? It simply doesn't seem like a rational theory, in other words. Furthermore, contrary to Berg's assertions, the so-called smoking gun questions about the electronic version of the certificate are easily explained. Lastly, Hawaii says they have the certificate, which should be case closed.
Of course, it won't be case closed. The challenges persist, and this is not even the only record of Obama's which is being challenged. Some blogs and websites, though as far as I can tell no major media outlets, are also suggesting that Obama's selective service registration was forged.
I would say that this is the last time you'll hear about the issue of the birth certificate, but I suspect it will make news again before the inauguration. There are cases pending, and people out there who intend to make noise. Besides that, it's clear some parts of this campaign will never die. We keep hearing about new "Palin is dumb" rumors every day.
One other note. Phillip Berg is reportedly a Clinton man, and he's out there questioning Obama's eligibity. It's interesting that today we also discover questions about Hillary Clinton's eligibility for Secretary of State. The universe is an amusing place sometimes.
Can we please stop talking about Obama's birth certificate now?
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