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| | | | Kasteele: I thought that the Aztec religion and mythology died out because that the Europeans came and began killing. From this source, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_religion , the practice of sacrifice did drive cities to the side of the Europeans, but, would they still be practicing sacrifice today if the Europeans didn't interfere? (On my personal opinion, probably, but, it's still a point I'm trying to rise.)
MattD: (I'm not sure I understand your response completely, but, I'll attempt with that I think you mean) Hmm...Why would it constantly cull itself? And there's something in Christianity which says clean and cook your food? I'd think it'd be a larger population, since without restrictions of incest, going to your buddy's wife, all that. Once more, why would it rarely to never advance? (Again, I'm not sure if I totally understand you correctly...Sorry, I have a simple mind, it gets confused easily and whatnot.)
Lingo: Yeah, well, this is my WordPerfect(R) 11's definition of religion!: religion>noun 1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. 2 a particular system of faith and worship. 3 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.
It then goes on to say the origin, but, that's not critical to the thread, likewise more or less the third definition, since I had intended this thread to be about the worship of deities and the such (intending with such words like faith and tradition to be viewed that way, as well...).
So...I also say what thumper said accurately. "Why would it be that way?"
The world without Christianity, do you mean to say, as well as Judaism since Christianity stemmed from it? Or something else?
(Post made after MattD's without viewing it when made, due to my slightly slow typing and other things.)This message was edited by Offak on 6-23-06 @ 11:23 PM |
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| | | | Offak ... I can't really say if they would or not. Although somehow I doubt it. If the Europeans had not been the end of it, there would likely have been an end from within. But, we won't ever know. Just like so many other religions, much of those were lost by force of the Christians. Either they killed these people off, or found another way to press them in to submission. And please people, do not say Christians don't do that. They have always done that. The crusades themselves prove that, don't they?
"To know, is to know you know nothing."
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| | | | offak-in many areas where humanity started, came from places where the early religions had practices on how to properly butcher and prepare meats and grow vegatation to create bountiful harvests or avoid smiting by gods (disease). and while yes, without the restrictions on incest, there might have pontetial for more population, but children of incests end up with more defects and a weaker population stock, especially with less protective superstitions. then again disease from multiple partners spread faster if we go by your line of thinking. less people gaining age and living longer to pass on a strong oral or written tradition.
as far as why it would never advance, if their concern is survival and mere shortlived beastial needs, they will not persue higher forms of thought and reason.
"Don't blame me because I speak with infallible logic, stupid human"
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| | | | thumper-cognative yes, but there are reasons why we taken up superstittions. it is to justify what our cognative aspect gets but can't explain. you get rid of this aspect when you say imagine a word where religion will not exist. so yeah we might get tools we might even get as far as to irrigate and domesticate, but these people are not building no aqueducts. they aren't going to avoid disease, and they are not going to really get beyond the base level.
"Don't blame me because I speak with infallible logic, stupid human"
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| | | | Everyone lives and everyone dies. How well you live and die God leaves in your hands ... God has given us the gifts to meet the challenges of life and the free will to achieve them, or not. He pretty much stays out of the way and lets us use those gifts to shape our fate.
Some folk die much sooner though as others. Has this hiv+ baby gotten the gift to meet the challenge of life?
Yeah, if a God exists, he certainly pretty much stays out of the way ...
Therefore: religion can be a personal concept that may help some individuals in their life ... not more.
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| | | | This baby does have the gifts to meet the challenges of life. That doesn't impart imortality. Everyone lives and everyone dies and of course, some sooner than others.
We are using our collective skills to defeat AIDS and we have seen great progress in that effort. We are using our God-given skills to shape our fates.
Yep, he pretty much stays out of the way. For those who rail against the intrusions of "big brother" would you have it any other way with the Biggest of Brothers?
thumper, math is a language. Where does godless come into language? |
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| | | | Bree.. why is it some of you just cannot accept reality? God may be the biggest of big brothers for you lot, but for some of us, god is not even a member of the family. Some of you should stop all the preaching that you do for a bit. A point of view is one thing, but on and on preaching and thrashing about with your lessons on how we should live is sickening. It is offensive and abusive. Try defending your stands or making your points on a human level. (Funny, but if other faiths did this kind of crap, the management of these boards would be all over us)
"To know, is to know you know nothing."
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| | | | thumper, language is the tool of communication we use to describe our relationship with the world we live in...the world created by God.
Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry, all of the sciences are attempts to describe and understand the creation we are a part of. The study of creation is the study of the Creator as well. There is no God-less science or language. |
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| | | | The answer to the question is that you cannot have society in the abscense of religion. It simply isn't possible. Religion is built into Man regardless of the "version" of God and so it is built into the societal constructs of Man.
Do you think there is a spoken language that does not have a word for the concept of god? That would be an interesting search. |
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| | | | | *laughing*...you may as well ask what would the painting look like if the artist didn't paint it. |
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