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| | | | | Where would society be today with the absence of religion? Not as in a large crack happened, and suddenly religion was a thought which wasn't remotely possible or seemed utterly false and useless, but the concept of it never occurring. No concepts, no beliefs, no traditions, etc. etc. Would science, mathematics, literature, and the arts flourish or fail? How much incredibly different would our ethics and morals be? How do you think the world would be today? |
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| | | | Myself, I do not think our sense of right or wrong have stemmed from religion. More so from a simple base of being so called, intelligent beings. Although, I would on the same hand, not like to know what our world would be like without faith, religion is sort of a given with faith. I can't really picture life without that at all, can you? But should this topic be more under religion? Now there is a philosophical question.
"No concepts, no beliefs, no traditions"
so tell me, which came first? Religion or belief. It had to be belief. Because without it, religion would not exist. Traditions would have happened no mater what and concepts happen no mater what.
"To know, is to know you know nothing."
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| | | | offak-well considering how religion was used to answer questions and justify why certain actions caused a person to be sick or die since they lacked microscopes and the like, we'd have developed far slower. by body of base law, we would get certain principles of unity down as a matter of survival, just like we had with religion, it would just be based on a unifying concept. but if we saw a nonexistance of superstitions that made up early religion, people would be by and large confused on why they die from certain things. it would be pretty much the dark ages only without the nice architecture
"Don't blame me because I speak with infallible logic, stupid human"
Foamy |
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| | | | Also with the "God and Medicine" subject. If we have faith, why in the world do we prolong life through medical means instead of accepting God's will since we supposedly go to a better place of his making?
Religion started well before language did. When the sun rose and the cave dwellers decided it was something to worship, because IT provided life.
"To know, is to know you know nothing."
-Confucius |
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| | | | Everyone lives and everyone dies. How well you live and die God leaves in your hands. That is, after all, the challenge of your mortal existence.
God has given us the gifts to meet the challenges of life and the free will to achieve them, or not. He pretty much stays out of the way and lets us use those gifts to shape our fate.
thumper, mathematics is nothing more than a language we have devised to communicate complex and not so complex ideas and concepts about abstract relationships. No beliefs or truths are required.
The basis of religion is that we were created. Something greater than ourselves made us. That is the bedrock of any religion. It isn't to explain things we don't understand. It explains our being. Which answers the topic question. It simply isn't possible. Religion is built into Mankind. This message was edited by bree on 6-22-06 @ 9:21 PM |
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| | | | Kasteele: I heard that Judaism and Christianity placed more of a worth on the individual than other religions at times, not too heavily read in the subject. And I believe some Aztec religions, or along those lines, used to sacrifice people for their deity, all that jazz. If killing someone for a deity was acceptable and sanctioned by some ritual, how much worth does the human life really have to that kind of mind? And, the reason it's not in religion is because I don't want people hurling texts from or other things from the Bible/any other religious piece of work at me for some reason or other.
MattD:Hmm...Really? I'd think they'd rush to develop some way of treating the disease/ailment without such hindrances as, "IT'S MAGIC! BURN THAT GUY! OH YEAH, BBQ TONIGHT! I'LL BRING THE TORCH, YOU BRING THE HERETIC/WITCH/WHATEVER WE'RE KILLING HIM FOR!" and so forth. However, I'm probably wrong in that regard for something which I don't know.
thumper:Well, I can't really address the issues of God much, since I know very, very little really, except that I think he's an all powerful deity...Don't really know much extensively beyond that. So, unfortunately, I couldn't answer with any references to what God says is acceptable and what isn't and why...
Kasteele: Once more, with the will thing and what not...Sorry, I'm an uneddicated heathen boy.
bree: I'm guessing you're just replying to other people, and not the actual thread, so...I'll leave it to them to argue. |
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| | | | Perhaps that is the reason most religions that sacrifice humans, themselves die off? Although then that would say Christianity will also die off one day as they used to do the same thing. I know, I am going to catch hell for that one, but the story of Abraham rather confirms that statement. I can't say I am uneducated when it comes to religion, more like i have had way more then my fill. That is one of the reasons I get so sick of people like Bree and Ligo constantly preaching at us all in each and every thread they atach themselves to. I would rather take the weird little terrorist jabs then listen to that stuff in places it should not be. If ya wants ta preach, go to the religion section and preach till ya bust! (maybe if I say it that way the bible belt crew will understand)
"To know, is to know you know nothing."
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| | | | offak-well if you forbid religions in your scenario, figure the black plague, then consider it far more random since certain dietary habits like the eating of unclean things, lack of adultry, and the like. it will be largely a small population that constantly culls itself, and rarely to never advances
"Don't blame me because I speak with infallible logic, stupid human"
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| | | | ze question from Offak:
"Where would society be today with the absence of religion? Not as in a large crack happened, and suddenly religion was a thought which wasn't remotely possible or seemed utterly false and useless, but the concept of it never occurring. No concepts, no beliefs, no traditions, etc. etc. Would science, mathematics, literature, and the arts flourish or fail? How much incredibly different would our ethics and morals be? How do you think the world would be today?
ze ansewer?:
First, let's define religion as found in The Bible,
The Book of James Chapter 1, verse 27:
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.""
The world, in the absense of pure religion, would be a colder, more unmerciful, and less charitable place than it is. On the other hand, if more actually kept themselves "unspotted from the world", there would be fewer people who fuel the fires of greed/lust, resulting is a a more wholesome world. Ethics/morality would florish more. Rather, a dichotomous situation I would say, which proves that we need the Lord to be who and where we ought to be.  Jesus wept. - John 11:35
Jesus wept. - John 11:35 |
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according to you, lingo, without religion, there would be no mercy, but no sin? please explain where you got that from
"Don't blame me because I speak with infallible logic, stupid human"
Foamy |
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